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Reminder! FOURTH WALL IS THIS WEEKEND!! If you haven't seen this already, go ahead and check it out.


ALSO! IMPORTANTE! We have a question to ask! We've been doing some thinking in terms of new canons and spoilers, and because we're not sure of who's following what and who's avoiding spoilers, we'd like to propose a Spoiler Policy in terms of characters who are capable of being apped.

What we suggest is waiting six weeks after a canon is released, whether it be anime episode or manga chapter, book, movie, or the like, before one can app the character from that canon point. For video games, this would mean the North American release, seeing as a large proportion of the game is in North America. For anime and manga, it would be the day subbed episodes or translated chapters are released.

In terms of series that are continuing or ongoing, this would mean six weeks after the chosen canon point for the 'timeline' portion of the application. Going by the no-spoiler rule, you would only be allowed to use what is released in canon prior to the six weeks in your application - if there is not enough to go off of at that point, the character would not yet be appable.

For example: If you wanted to pick a character from a weekly show, and the show was on a weekly release and at week 8 and episode 8, you would be able to apply from episode 2. If there is not enough canon evidence of your character's full personality in episodes 1 and 2, you will have to wait until the series is further along, or until six weeks after a point you choose. For video games, it would be anywhere along in the canon. This would not account for remakes, only the original canon (i.e. applying from Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories would be alright the six weeks after the release of RE:Chain of Memories), unless the remake has very significant changes. This would also make it all right to apply for for character from manga canons during the release of an anime, unless there are significant differences and one is going by the canon of the anime. This would also apply to canon updates. One would have to wait six weeks after the release before being allowed to canon update to that point.

Does this sound like a fair policy?

EDIT: Thanks for your input guys, we miiiight have gotten overzealous in our enthusiasm. We hear you, and we're shelving this one!

Comments

[extremelycute]

Hmm. I think that a no spoilers policy is really useful for things that are released all at once--films, video games, books, etc.

As for ongoing canons, I think it's really unnecessary. In most cases, everyone has access to the ongoing canon. If they don't want to be spoiled, they can just look it up. For example, take the series...idk, Modern Family. If someone is six episodes behind, it's not really the apper's fault or anything. And for ongoing manga chapters, the person can just go read online to catch up...it feels like for ongoing canons, the limitation will just get in the way more often than not.

[legendoflove]

Yeah, seconding all this! Kind of what I was hoping to get at in my 2AM monstrosity down there.

[usedwaterpulse]

Thirding this. It's not difficult to avoid spoilers for ongoing series. I managed to avoid any spoilers for Young Justice until I watched the series, and I have CR with two of the core members of the cast.

On the flip side it would definitely complicate things beyond need, though. Since most series update once a week combine that with a new series like Legend of Korra. Someone wanting to app any of the characters from episode 1 or 2 would have to settle for an episode 1 or 2 canon point (probably defeats the purpose if they want the later development that interested them in the muse to start with), or best case scenario they app episode 1/2 and then have to wait 6+ weeks to canon update, at which point they lose another week of game play and potential CR, since we're only on about episode 8 right now.

I'd worry that might, in general, kill interest for potential appers, especially (I realize the irony of this statement since we now have a Korra reserve, but I'm fully aware that IF implemented this rule probably wouldn't even be put in place before the next app cycle. It seemed like a really good example, though!).

[legendoflove]

Hmmm-- I'm not sure I think so? I mean... hmmm.

I mean, I get the idea behind it, and personally I hate spoilers myself, but at the same time isn't a lot RP, in reserving and apping, part of first come first serve? If this policy is about avoiding bangwagon apps that'll later flake our or something, I'm not exactly sure this is the best way to go about it since it just makes everyone lose out from the way I see it.

Plus, using your example, what if a character does have enough canon by episode eight? Or four even? Waiting two weeks - or over a month! - when that kind of thing would be common knowledge to the fandom seems a bit odd, I think.

If it's about weeklies, and I get not wanting to have characters in from a current airing show and then they get hit by plot twists and retcons, then maybe just ask for a series to be a certain length instead? I would think if a person can write a convincing, IC app though, that should be enough - I mean KH has been out for years but some of those characters/their backstories are STILL get hit with things from left field from what I understand. On the other hand though, a character in a weekly show might not have anything dramatic or retconworthy happen to them at all.

So I'd say, for one thing, a huge policy like this should be more fine-tuned, or maybe looked at on a case-by-case basis, if at all.

Now, I'm not sure on new releases (though then you have to take into consideration if it's an overseas release, what if someone has the canon in another language and can speak it - I realize you say North American release, but I'm fairly sure we've had characters applied from Japanese canons before? not many but yeah), but as I said, I really don't think that it works well at all for weekly stuff personally, at least not with a length that large. Maybe one, two weeks at most before you can start reserving?

Even then, it seems kinda silly to me, but I dunno. Is this something people are complaining about? Being a huge anti-spoiler myself, my personal way of going about things is just to avoid and all. I admit, I'm new to current-Route, but I would think this kind of... honestly really huge sounding policy that would seriously change how people play and app, potentially. I mean my characters are from shows nearly 10 years old, but I follow a lot of weekly shows too, so I know how that feeling goes - and new games and stuff too.

And... yeah! I guess I rambled a bit, haha. I guess, in short, no? I'd say go for a "put a warning up" policy if this is a big issue, and as I said, i wouldn't know - and as a person who, really, hates being spoiled, I'd appreciate that as much as anyone. This though, I dunno if I could get behind it.

[comeatmibro]

I think the major question this raises for me has already been brought up: is this something a number of people are actively complaining about? If not, then it might be best to leave well enough alone.

If so, then I do agree that it probably needs some fine-tuning. For weekly releases, six weeks seems like a very long time. Two or three weeks would be more appropriate.

In general, though, it's my opinion that people avoiding spoilers should take it upon themselves to avoid them, rather than the rest of the game tiptoeing around them. Spoiler warnings might be a good idea, but this kind of policy seems like a lot of contortionist action on the part of the game in order to satisfy what is likely to be a minority of its population.

[usedcharm]

I'm going to have to agree with a lot of what's been said so far.

Especially with what Comeatmibro said about 6 weeks being a fairly long time for weekly releases. I get fad apps are a pain, I do; however, saying "No you have to wait a month and a half to app that" seems a little harsh.

I honestly think a case by case basis might be the best way to role with this, if anything is done at all. While I can see saying "Wait a while to app from major motion picture blockbuster A" it seems almost silly to make someone wait that long to app from say obscure anime K that maybe not even a handful of the game will even know exists.

I'm probably not expressing myself very well all things considered, so I'll just leave it there for now. If I remember more later maybe I'll come back.

[wannabolt]

I think for ongoing TV series, making people wait six weeks after a given episode is taking it a bit too far. I can understand making them wait six weeks to app from the canon, but why limit them to episode two when eight episodes are already out? It just seems to complicate the process.

As for games, I don't think the policy needs to be so strict because the game is already released in full. Maybe just make it a week or two in that case? With movies, I could almost say the same thing, though if a film is still in theaters, it's definitely tricky to get canon reviews done.

[machinamonkey]

What everyone else is saying, pretty much. If it's a show or a manga that is released on a regular to semi-regular schedule, six weeks is an awfully long time to wait. Especially with TV shows, since chances are if you're going to see it as it's released, you've seen it by six weeks. If you're not, you won't have.

With things like movies and video games and things that are released all at once, though, I still think six weeks might be rough. A month might be more fair, especially since most RPers are super good about being mindful of spoilers and letting people know that hey, my dude's a walking spoiler, lemme know if you don't want to be spoiled!

[combat_butler]

I really don't think we even need a policy like this. As has already been said, is this seriously something a bunch of people have complained about? And frankly six weeks is way too long for a thing like that. If anything two or maybe three at most would be reasonable if you guys want to add something like this.

You guys already have a policy set in place for people to link applications that have spoilers in them, so why do you need to add a wait time on top of that for applications? If people out there are seriously having issues with spoilers, just make it more clear that people should link applications from new series/games/canons/whatever?

But yeah, I honestly think we don't need anything like this added to the application process. Especially if you're going to enforce it on things like weekly series / shows. If you absolutely must add this for some reason, six weeks is way too long and it should be cut down to two or so weeks.

[combat_butler]

AND ACTUALLY I guess a few more things to just tack onto this before I sleep

Personally I think adding a policy like this all of the sudden after the game has been open this long could seriously have a bad effect on potential future applicants. It would be kind of ridiculous to pimp out the game to someone, then they say they want to app from a show or series that might have just finished airing a few days before, only for you to have to say;

"Oh uh. You actually can't apply for them right now you have to wait a few weeks..."

Basically what I'm trying to say is again, I think we don't need an addition like this onto the app process and it should really be up to the players to be mindful of spoilers, not the entire games application process to be the thing in charge of keeping them in check.

[meatysoviet]

... Can spoileriffic apps not just be linked and common sense and permission posts apply when it comes to what they talk about in-game? It seems to have worked well enough so far.

Or am I missing something? I have this habit of putting my foot in it without knowing all the facts.

[usedperishsong]

Agreeing with everyone else that a spoiler policy's unnecessary, and probably off-putting to potential applicants. Plus, who's to say when anyone will get to discovering a particular series, or finishing a video game? People consume media at different rates, so the policy'd only "help" people avoid spoilers who were already up-to-date to begin with.

I get the thinking behind the policy, I just think it'd do more harm than good, and that trusting players to use discretion/link apps is a better system.

[dreamsofahero]

Aside from all the other points people are making about the six-week policy (which I think are very valid), there's a huge potential issue in this- namely, that for many major canons releases are staggered by region. For example, the Avengers movie was released in Europe before it premiered in the US. Obviously many manga and anime series don't get an official release outside of Japan for weeks, months, or in some cases even years after the original Japanese release. Similarly videogames normally have a delay of several months between different language releases. So this brings up a huge problem of what counts as the start of this hypothetical six-week period? The original release of a canon, or its local release? If you count by the local release, then that's unfair to canons that never get licensed and released outside their country of origin, because there's the six week period never starts. On the other hand, starting the countdown from the original release is unfair to any potential players who don't know the language or have access to the original. (This is especially true of videogames- I recall that I had played through the entirety of Suikoden Tierkreis not once but twice prior to its US release when it came out, and could easily have apped characters from it to RPs by then, just as an example.)

So basically, what I'm saying is, all other issues aside, I can't see a way to fairly implement a policy like this. A better way to approach the issue, if there is an issue with spoilers, would probably be to remind people to post clear spoiler warnings and such. Which has the added benefit of warning people who may not have had a chance to view the canon as soon as most everyone else (such as someone who doesn't live near a movie theatre and has to wait for the DVD release, etc).

[enjoymyatelier]

Yeah I don't think this is necessary, myself. Spoiler warnings seem like a better way to go, though I'm not entirely sure if there's a good way to avoid spoilers at all in

Everyone else has said things I've already said about the six months rule with regard to ongoing series, but I think the video game rule would be pretty unfair to people who are playing from games that are unlikely to be released in America and either understand Japanese or are going off a good fan translation. I mean, I know I'm going to want to see Dangan Ronpa characters in this game when the combination LP/fan translation is finished, but that game is probably never going to get an American release.

[waywardchild]

Question! Can I date a log for after the event? Also, is it okay for Retica's first pokemon to walk beside him, instead of being in a pokeball? Thank you :D

[these_balls]

You mean forward-dating? Go right ahead! And yes, of course, just like in the anime, pokemon can be out of their balls as much as their trainer wants. Some are even naughty and break out!