regarding Starters and Baby-Making

[these_balls]

Three things:

1) SO WE HERD U WANTED SOME OLD STARTERS.

There are now 140.

In addition, because Larvitar are pseudo-Legendary pokémon, they've been given a cap of 10. We've never actually had ten as starters so this should be alright.


2) We've also added the bugs from the swarm-plot to the Availability List, as well as the two found at the Ruins of Alph. You no longer need to contact us about what to find there! We've linked what's there and probably someday maybe we'll find a better way to add it there but until then have that link.

3) PEOPLE WHO BREED, GET OVER HERE!

Two things:
1) Would you all prefer a breeders-specific community in order to keep free eggs and whatnot in order instead of using the OOC community? If so, any ideas for a name or would you like one of us to think of something?

and 2) We've heard from numerous people that there's an excess of eggs. Because of this, it will be capped. Although, we don't want to cap it too high or too low, so I had a question for you guys: How much do you think is too much? This can be in terms of too many eggs per pokémon, per week, from pokémon each week? etc. Anything you can think of, go ahead and list, and feel free to discuss amongst each other as well!

Comments

[phoenix-temple.livejournal.com]

Pokemon are rare probably for a variety of reasons. Some pokemon probably only breed a certain amount at a time, or under certain conditions. And some Pokemon probably just can't survive in some climates.

I think the challenge of trying to find the more rare Pokemon--Dratini, Gyarados, Clefairy, evolutions, etc--is part of what makes the game fun. If everything is suddenly available in multitudes of places, it kind of takes away from the challenge. Breeding should be supplementary, and available for certain Pokemon. Cubones are uncommon, and not everyone needs or wants one.

Along with a limit on how many rare eggs a trainer can breed at any given time, I don't see why it wouldn't work to have rare Pokemon like Clefairy, Gyarados and Dratini only be in one place. I don't think anyone wants to make breeding redundant, only cut down on it.

We can't have the perfect team. We just can't. We cannot have everything we want, and I think it'd be a lot more fun for people to actually put effort into so-and-so trying to get this Pokemon or that. This is a game, a role playing game, and it's based on Pokemon. What better thing to actually post about than GODDAMN IT'S HARD FOR ME TO CATCH THIS INSERTPOKEMONHERE.

[pastsanity.livejournal.com]

If everything is suddenly available in multitudes of places, it kind of takes away from the challenge.
That's not what I'm saying though? I'm saying make MORE things available in more places, not spread out the few we have - and even the common things are in ridiculously few places. Not to mention how swarms and such should have drastically altered the environment this way or that at some point down the road anyway, as it has.

Along with a limit on how many rare eggs a trainer can breed at any given time, I don't see why it wouldn't work to have rare Pokemon like Clefairy, Gyarados and Dratini only be in one place.
I'm not looking at it now, but I'm... fairly certain these things are all pretty rare on the list? What's the issue here, exactly? The rare (or "rare") things can be rare, but that's not what I'm getting at at all.

We can't have the perfect team. We just can't.
Says who? And by what definition and standards? If you travel or buy the right eggs, you should be able to. ANYONE should be able to. At the very least, a team to make them happy should be perfectly within reason. If you make it impossible to catch a certain Pokemon (which was what the Safari Zone and the like was for in the games) then... yeah, people WILL probably want to go back to breeding down the road. Why make it harder than it has to be?

[usedrage.livejournal.com]

Okay, first, I'm getting a really condescending attitude out of this, and your icons really aren't helping, so knock it off.

You're taking what I'm saying out of context. I am saying that the "rare" Pokemon should be harder to find, which would make sense because they are rare. And I just said certain Pokemon should spread out. Like Cubone, which has never been anything more than "uncommon." It should be available in warm, dry mountains, which, in Kanto, was kind of its territory. But if Chansey are available in five or six places it kind of removes the point of that specific Pokemon. It was considered the be rare. Chansey. Chancy. Clefairy are rare Pokemon, only able to be found under certain conditions and considered to be aliens if I remember right. Eevee are only available by being given to you, which makes me wonder where they live, but they are rare for one reason or another. Dratini are dragons and rare because of that.

All what things? I've seen people breed Mareep and Growlithe, both of which are considered common Pokemon. I'm saying that the limit should drop when you get into Eevees, Dratini and starters.

Have have you ever played a Pokemon game? Because I've played every generation. And I have always had one Pokemon that I have wanted that I couldn't get because I was playing a certain version. If I played HeartGold, I couldn't get a Vulpix. If I played SoulSilver, I couldn't get a Growlithe. Same with FireRed and LeafGreen. I can't get a Plusle in White, but I can't get a Minun in Black. Half the game wants an Eevee in their characters' teams if breeding them like they are is indicative at all. And I'm not innocent of this, Ken has an Umbreon. But not everyone can logically have an Eevee. That's the point of rarity.

Just like IRL, not everyone can have a pet platypus, not everyone in Route can have a Dratini.

[pastsanity.livejournal.com]

... Excuse me? That was kind of really rude and uncalled for.

I'm speaking in general, because I don't want something for "rare" Pokemon to apply to ALL Pokemon, since it needs to and should be made clear - and yes, I have played the games, which is why I'm saying something. GSC, in particular, had some flat out shitty placing of Pokemon to make things "rare". Murkrow, for instance, was "rare" for no reason whatsoever except that the game designers made it that way, and if you want to come up with some excuse that it should be, that's your perogative. I'm saying, instead of doing that, we can fix what was quite obviously broken. Obviously a Cubone isn't going to be wandering around in the wild grass or the ocean or on the beach, but I wasn't even talking about that.

Furthermore, version exclusives? That's a marketing thing-slash-to get people to trade, and when you consider those Pokemon aren't even that rare? Or you could just trade or breed for it? Get the other game? We aren't playing the Pokemon game, we're playing something based off it, and, like I said before, there's no reason whatsoever to make things harder than they need to be. Not only that, there's not another route_29 to go to to catch the other version's worth of things. There's one, and we need to make allowances for that.

And yeah. With the things that are rare and make sense being rare? I... see no problems, and I said that from the start.

[these_balls]

Hey guys, keep it civil! No need for sarcasm or namecalling!

[usedrage.livejournal.com]

I wasn't being sarcastic. Nor did I call any names. I was just saying that his choice of wording and icons made it feel condescending and I was uncomfortable with that.

[pastsanity.livejournal.com]

Well, for what it's worth, I didn't intend anything like that. I'm just trying to toss things out to the mods and discuss things, so your bit there really came out of left field. I'll be sticking to my default for the rest of this thread though, if it helps. Sorry about any confusion.

[these_balls]

I'm not accusing you of either but I could tell you were both getting pretty heated and I wanted to make sure this didn't escalate to anything besides just a differing of opinions in a civil debate. It's not just for you but for Seve as well.

[usedrage.livejournal.com]

I am dropping the debate, because the uncomfortable feeling is only escalating with each comment. However, I will leave my debate as is because I feel I left a good enough argument for my points.

No one can have a perfect team. Even if it was a game gimmick, having Pokemon more widely available is going to kill the challenge. And I know that was the draw not just for me but for quite a few players.

[pastsanity.livejournal.com]

I know you left, but I still want to reply to that if you don't mind. You can choose not to reply back and ignore me, but either way.

"What is this 'challenge'?" The game is about characters being tossed into the Pokemon world and going on an adventure. There's the GYM challenge, but I don't recall reading anything on the FAQ about some other challenge, and I just fail to understand what you want here. The only thing I can see, long term, from cutting down things being available in the wild along with a breeding cap is more people are stuck with the downright awful GSC distribution that GF failed to fix with HGSS. We, as human beings who know it is what is is, should be able to fix that.

That's all.

[usedrage.livejournal.com]

Excuse me, this was not a comment to you and I'd appreciate it if, when I said I was uncomfortable and already dropped your thread, you did not continue commenting to me.

[pastsanity.livejournal.com]

So should I... ignore how that's kind of exactly what you did with that second part of your comment or...?

Fine, whatever. If you'd rather drop a discussion than continue it, that's your call, but you don't need to make it personal either.

[these_balls]

Seve, let the issue drop. Fedora doesn't want to continue it because she feels uncomfortable, and we've heard both of your points, so just let it drop.